A team with no roles, from AI research down to silicon

Mm. Yeah, when it comes to facts and truth, like it doesn't come with any sort of chip on your shoulder. Like if you got it, then you reveal it to the world. Totally agree. At the same time, like there are certain people, for example, it's always, I'm always curious to take a look like, what did they do? If I come across with it, then my first instruction is not bookmark go. okay. Let me just quickly take a look at it. That was more the intention of my question.

Yeah. okay. yeah, when I say papers, I just read it, because if I have a stack of papers, I'm never gonna read that.

No.

It's like if something takes you like five, ten minutes to do, should do it straight away. I was just gonna forget it because you wouldn't care as much about it.

Yeah, but actually when you speak about your Slack channel and the team, right now you guys are four, right? Like, at the moment. Yeah, four people. Five people. And how do you see the pace?

We're five people. Five and a half. Yeah.

How do you see your milestones? Like you set your goals milestones and how do you see all the building team at the same time and building the product in parallel together?

It's not that we build it in parallel, it's that we build it... So one major thing we haven't said is like we don't have roles. I think roles are the most cringe thing ever. We don't have specialties. We're expecting everyone to basically learn everything. Like the whole stack. If you join in and you know this area really well, then yeah, you should obviously work on that. But you should also learn the abstraction layer above you and the dissection layer below you. Because if you don't, everyone's just gonna get very like compartmentalized and...

Yeah.

going to be aligned at all and that's just bad. how I structure my team is we have it all the way up to the AI researcher, all the way down to the silicon and that's really important. It's sort of like what Bell Labs did back in the day. Like if you sit next to the guy or like the person in either of those abstraction layers and you do something really like a design choice that's like really stupid. They can like look at you and like why are you making my life hard, mate?

Hmm. Yeah. ⁓

Please don't. And the reverse is as well. So if you do a really great design choice, they will cheer you on. They'll like, hell yeah. Having that communication is extremely important, which is also coming back to Google DeepMind, which is why I think they're great. But they're also lacking the business. So they'll have this huge corporation that's compartmentalized. So the only sort of way to have that is just have all those people in the same room sitting next to each other. And that's it.